Talk:Re Vos Cerveaux/Lyrics

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Thomast suggests that a non-elided version of these lyrics be included:

I've been thinking that there might be some use to a non-ellided version of the Re Vos Cerveaux lyrics, which might be more readable by some folks. But clearly that wouldn't be the canonical version.

I speak no French, so I am okay with whatever decision is made on this issue.--Bry 00:55, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Englighten the ignorant American. "Elided"? I checked out Merriam Webster, and I'm guessing you mean without the thingamabobs above and below the words. Why would a version without them matter? Is the concern that some folks won't have those characters in their library, and see squares? If it's showing up on my Firefox with no attempt on my part to make sure I have fru fru French letters, then I would think it's going to be on just about everyone else's browser. --MitchO 10:15, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I believe "elide" as in "abbreviate / shorten words" - a non-elided version would spell out words in full. That is, elided lyrics would show you how it's pronounced, but non-elided versions would make it easier to figure out where to look for the words in a dictionary or somesuch. --Bry 10:32, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
So we want to make a pronunciation guide for the non-French speakers? Enh. I took French for seven years in school. You know why I took French for seven years? BECAUSE I KEPT FAILING FRENCH. What does that have to do with anything? I don't know, I just love telling that joke. (It's true, btw) I don't think it's really necessary, I think part of the "meta-humor" of the song is the foreignness of foreign language. I'd vote leave it as is. --MitchO 10:36, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Somehow I missed this response, so I'll reply now, a week or more later. No, the elided version (the one we have currently) shows how something's actually pronounced; the aid to non-Francophones would be in a non-elided version, which would let them know what to look up. There are inaccuracies with this analogy, but you might call JoCo the elided version of Jonathan Coulton -- if you're speaking about him, or writing about him, you might use the abbreviation, but to non-JoCophiles, the full name would be more useful, if you see what I mean. --Bry 23:18, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

How to remove elisions:

  1. Take a word with an apostrophe and split it at the apostrophe (throw the apostrophe away)
  2. Add an "e" to the end of the first of your two words


  • ch'pense becomes je pense
  • k'tu becomes que tu
  • If the second word starts with a vowel, don't split the words--it's grammatically incorrect to do so

Having said that, it's minor enough of a change that I don't think it warrants a "non-elided version". Hope this clears things up a bit. — Wesley | 00:30, 8 May 2008 (EDT)