https://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:The Future Soon/Lyrics - Revision history2024-03-29T00:44:30ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.4https://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=6271&oldid=prevPercephene: /* Demo Version */2008-06-03T04:50:35Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Demo Version</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Percephenehttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=4049&oldid=prevBry: nvm!2008-05-07T02:25:27Z<p>nvm!</p>
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</table>Bryhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=4039&oldid=prevBry: changing RFC (or trying)2008-05-07T02:17:52Z<p>changing RFC (or trying)</p>
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</table>Bryhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=2850&oldid=prevAgent Lex at 16:09, 30 April 20082008-04-30T16:09:07Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Bryhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=2847&oldid=prevAgent Lex at 15:51, 30 April 20082008-04-30T15:51:19Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I have not the slightest compunction about changing the lyrics -- for a year and a half now I've been dealing with the ramifications of JoCo's mistakes and typos on the lyrics. ;) To justify "all ready" (fighting an unnecessary and losing battle), it's much cleverer in that it plays with your expectations. If the line is "already," one hears what one's been hearing, and then seconds later he or she hears it clash grammatically and can't resolve it properly -- syntax error, didn't receive the expected input, that is. If the line is "all ready," one hears what one's been hearing, then seconds later realizes that it wasn't the same thing he or she'd been hearing and has to reorient -- which is, after all, one of the characteristic "forms" of humor, where information coming in late changes the meaning of everything that came before. (To drift into musical theater, which forumgoers will know is a hobby of mine, Lerner and Loewe used the same kind of structure in "Why Can't the English," from My Fair Lady -- "...why can't the English learn to / Set a good example..." - but Lerner's lyrics actually are meant to make grammatical sense.)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I have not the slightest compunction about changing the lyrics -- for a year and a half now I've been dealing with the ramifications of JoCo's mistakes and typos on the lyrics. ;) To justify "all ready" (fighting an unnecessary and losing battle), it's much cleverer in that it plays with your expectations. If the line is "already," one hears what one's been hearing, and then seconds later he or she hears it clash grammatically and can't resolve it properly -- syntax error, didn't receive the expected input, that is. If the line is "all ready," one hears what one's been hearing, then seconds later realizes that it wasn't the same thing he or she'd been hearing and has to reorient -- which is, after all, one of the characteristic "forms" of humor, where information coming in late changes the meaning of everything that came before. (To drift into musical theater, which forumgoers will know is a hobby of mine, Lerner and Loewe used the same kind of structure in "Why Can't the English," from My Fair Lady -- "...why can't the English learn to / Set a good example..." - but Lerner's lyrics actually are meant to make grammatical sense.)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I find setting the demo lyrics apart makes them more confusing -- any thoughts about putting them after each respective line of the song? (I don't know how that'd look, but it would make slightly more sense to me.) Otherwise, perhaps footnote them with a "jump-back-to-the-spot-in-lyrics" link? --[[User:Bry|Bry]] 09:46, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I find setting the demo lyrics apart makes them more confusing -- any thoughts about putting them after each respective line of the song? (I don't know how that'd look, but it would make slightly more sense to me.) Otherwise, perhaps footnote them with a "jump-back-to-the-spot-in-lyrics" link? --[[User:Bry|Bry]] 09:46, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::One solution is to keep the demo lyrics on the [[The Future Soon (demo)/Lyrics|demo lyrics page]] (wich doesn't exist yet). The way the Discography page works at the moment, the demos have their own pages, so it's logical that they'd have their own lyrics pages, though I think tabs, videos and fan content should redirect to the original's. --[[User:Agent Lex|Lex]] <small>([[User talk:Agent Lex|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Agent Lex|contribs]])</small> 11:51, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the demo version of the song, in [[The Future Soon/Lyrics#Verse 3|verse 3]], does it sound like the line is "''''Cause''' when a crazy cyborg..." instead of "When a crazy cyborg..."? Again, if it's impossible to tell, I think we should leave it as-is, but since this page has been marked as a request-for-comments, I thought I'd put that out there. &mdash; <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Wesley|Wesley]]</span> | 06:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Agent Lexhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=2836&oldid=prevBry: Responses, now I'm awake2008-04-30T13:46:06Z<p>Responses, now I'm awake</p>
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</table>Bryhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=2828&oldid=prevWesley: /* Demo Version */ Sign your posts, Wesley!2008-04-30T10:21:22Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Demo Version: </span> Sign your posts, Wesley!</span></p>
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</table>Wesleyhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=2827&oldid=prevWesley: /* Demo Version */ new section2008-04-30T10:21:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Demo Version: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Wesleyhttps://wiki.jonathancoulton.com/index.php?title=Talk:The_Future_Soon/Lyrics&diff=2822&oldid=prevAgent Lex at 10:10, 30 April 20082008-04-30T10:10:01Z<p></p>
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